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Re: The Covid

Postby Xx Peach xX (143363031) » Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:23 pm

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Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:The level of entitlement & stubbornness in anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers is insane. Just wear the mask, get the shot(s), and shut up. If they don't want to do that for whatever stupid reason they have, then it's better to also shut up about it. It's crazy how some people celebrate their idiocy and ignorance.

& This is coming from someone who is naturally extremely stubborn herself. I just don't understand these idiots.

Similar arguments can be made about those who push the vax. There's good reasons to get it, and good ones not to get it. It just doesn't make sense to me for anyone to push others either way.

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In my country you’re not allowed into the main malls & most important places if you’re not vaccinated. You need to show your vaccine certificate. You can’t travel to or from my country unless you’re vaccinated. One of my aunts, who’s an anti-vaxxer, was, you can say, forced to take one. My country has its faults, but this decision sure isn’t one.
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Re: The Covid

Postby Richford (3429282) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:50 pm

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:
Fester (126579776) wrote:
Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:The level of entitlement & stubbornness in anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers is insane. Just wear the mask, get the shot(s), and shut up. If they don't want to do that for whatever stupid reason they have, then it's better to also shut up about it. It's crazy how some people celebrate their idiocy and ignorance.

& This is coming from someone who is naturally extremely stubborn herself. I just don't understand these idiots.

Similar arguments can be made about those who push the vax. There's good reasons to get it, and good ones not to get it. It just doesn't make sense to me for anyone to push others either way.

:rose:

In my country you’re not allowed into the main malls & most important places if you’re not vaccinated. You need to show your vaccine certificate. You can’t travel to or from my country unless you’re vaccinated. One of my aunts, who’s an anti-vaxxer, was, you can say, forced to take one. My country has its faults, but this decision sure isn’t one.


Very interesting! We don't have mandates like that. The only place I've encountered that required vaccination is bars.
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Re: The Covid

Postby Mizz Libra (136290570) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:07 am

Overhere in Germany we currently have the so-called 3G rule for non-essential places.
When/if covid infection numbers surpass an average 30 cases per 100,000 in population over the last 7 days in your region,
you have to be either vaccinated, recovered from a past covid infection, or tested negative (pcr test result may be up to 2 days old. Quick test maximum 1 day old). My region was very close to 30 last I checked a few days ago, when we were around 25. Watching international news that is still fairly little to many other places in the world. It's interesting to see how different countries handle this. Some already react with stricted regulations when infection numbers are going up but at a smaller point, and some don't even react at way higher numbers.
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Re: The Covid

Postby Cracked (126579776) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:05 am

The covid reaper finally showed up in my world. I'm headed to my first funeral this Saturday. :sad:

It's a strange beast. There's some consistency to it, but it can't be cornered. It's particularly fond of people over 50 (91% of deaths) who have comorbidities, but it will also take out the occasional seemingly healthy 20 year old if it feels like it.

We have more people getting vaccinated now that a few more have seen their friends taken out by it. And there does seem to be a "leveling off" of both case counts and deaths. But there is still way too much media and politics bleeding into the public health discussion for my taste - from both slants.

I'd like to encourage everyone to respect anyone's decision to vaccinate or not to vaccinate. But I'd also like to encourage everyone who is not vaccinated to reconsider getting vaccinated. It does work, it is helpful, and it just might save your ass. Vaccines have revolutionized our world since 1957. I realize that they haven't always been right, and so caution is important. But enough people have now had their vaccines for over 6 months with minimal negative results, and it's time to start rethinking about trusting the science. Many of us are now alive because someone got vaccinated. You could be that someone for one of your descendants.

I hope you choose to do it, but I promise I won't judge you, hate you, or belittle you if you choose not to. You should have the right to decide. I hope you continue to read the science and ignore the media and politics. It could literally mean your life.

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Re: The Covid

Postby Quarantined Mata (13429328) » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:53 pm

I'm at the vaccination center. I'm finally fully vaccinated :D

Sorry for your loss, Rod :hug:
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Re: The Covid

Postby Stacey (186047797) » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:21 pm

My sister and her entire Family on her side all believed Covid was a hoax... then they all got sick with it. I haven't seen her in years because of the Drama she causes in my own life but I felt like saying "I told you so" to her but I didn't. I just kept thinking in my own head that maybe it's Karma getting her back for all the crap she has caused me? I have both my shots and I personally know of someone I work with that got Covid when it first came out and survived it, now that person has both their shots and will speak to people about the symptoms and what it was like for him when he had it. I always wear a mask in public and I get so annoyed when I see so many people NOT wearing masks especially in Walmart... kind of makes me wonder how many of them actually have their shots. Covid cases have been going up here in my New York, in my county and I blame it on all the people that went to the Fairs with no masks, all the people partying like there was no pandemic, and all the people who just don't care about who they risk. I don't think they should make the vaccine mandatory, I think it should be a choice like the Flu shot but until this pandemic is over those non-vaccinated people NEED to wear their masks in public and keep 6 feet apart! The other day I was grocery shopping and some lady tried to rip my mask off my face telling me I was being a sheep listening to the government. I told her I was listening to the CDC and to back off and she kept trying to come at me to take my mask off my face but Security or Loss Prevention, whatever they are stopped her and ended up taking her away... I hope she got banned. Anyways, stay safe out there people! Somehow we'll get through this
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Re: The Covid

Postby Cracked (126579776) » Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:00 pm

Quarantined Mata (13429328) wrote:I'm at the vaccination center. I'm finally fully vaccinated :D

Sorry for your loss, Rod :hug:

Well done! :thumbsup:

And TY. It was a great party today. He was a BBQ pitmaster who has taught me a lot. They had food from his restaurant served while people told stories about what an awesome asshole he was. He would have been pissed if it had been anything besides a party, so it was.

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Re: The Covid

Postby Richford (3429282) » Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:28 pm

I'm so sorry for your loss, Rod. I'm glad you had a great party. :heart:
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Re: The Covid

Postby Cookie Monster (4327680) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:52 am

Nightcrawler (126579776) wrote:So my neighbor who shall remain nameless........ :phew: :phew: :phew:

She's a hypochondriac. She sees covid cooties everywhere and has had it - 4 times now. She goes for testing twice a week. She was in the first wave of vaccine takers. She wears a mask inside her car.....alone. The only reasons she leaves her house are for food, to get covid tested, and to see doctors. I think she anoints the outside of her house with cleaning alcohol every Saturday night as some sort of new religious ritual.

But I absolutely love talking to her and she'll pop out on her back porch when I'm grilling and we'll chat and I'll fluff her dogs. She has showed up as a "positive" test for covid in my town about a dozen times - yes she still goes twice a week to get tested even after testing positive. I think covid loves her. Her first bout with it kept her in bed for 3 days, but now she is asymptomatic when she testes positive. I think her dogs got infected and now every time she recovers, she gets it from them again. She thinks it will eventually go away and I don't.

But my questions swirl around what she does and how they affect the numbers. If someone who knows they are positive can just go get tested over and over and over and over.........doesn't that skew the numbers? Because the positive test numbers are what seem to drive a lot of angst in people when discussing this. I'm way more interested in the numbers around hospitals filling up than I am how many people are positive who feel fine. After all, the optics that seem most important to me are when people can't get medical help - and need it. I don't really care if 20M people have covid and get the sniffles or feel nothing. Welcome to life. But I do care when it takes people down.

Am I off here? Should I care that covid is spreading again if it doesn't really move the needle on hospital beds? For background, our local hospitals have seen an increase in bed counts for covid, but are nowhere near the top end they touched at the height of the problem 7 months ago.


She would drive me nuts. That said, I tend to think these things even out in the wash. She may be increasing the number reported, but since we have no idea how many aren’t reported for difference they reasons, I still doubt the reported number is higher than the real number.
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Re: The Covid

Postby Cookie Monster (4327680) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:07 am

I’ll admit up front that I’m not reading every post (it’s almost 1am and I’m tired) but with so many children now getting sick, I think we should feel a higher onus to get vaccinated, especially people who don’t really have a reason not to beyond exercising a right just because they can. I’m already disgusted that so many people are effectively saying that they don’t care about those who can’t be vaccinated, those who wouldn’t be protected by vaccination, etc. But now, all children are proving to be at greater and greater risk and people are still putting themselves first. Ahead of children.

Risking horrible backlash, but PLEASE really think about my reasoning (below) first. I do think everyone should be required to be vaccinated unless they have an existing medical condition contraindicating it.

My reasoning is that we have plenty of existing laws that aren’t always fair to every individual because it is best for the greater good. If that’s the goal or priority, I think it should be exercised across the board. Example: if a person 100% against a war or war in general can still be forced to risk his life because that’s what’s best for the nation (and sometimes not even benefitting our nation directly) then a vaccine during a global pandemic should be treated the same way, IMO. I understand that people feel they have a right to avoid side effects, but compared to my example where the risk is death... Other quick examples... We can’t exceed speed limits no matter how well we drive or how empty the road is, because innocent people could be hurt. We can’t ingest whatever drug we want regardless our personal beliefs about pain control, etc., to protect “everyone” from addiction. Why do we get to exercise logic and decide for ourselves sometimes, but not others, where greater good is concerned? It simply isn’t equal in many ways.

I know I won’t always get my way and I am fine with that. In everything, though, large and small, I can’t stand the changing of the rules, back and forth, to fit agendas. Either require citizens to do what is best for the entire country or don’t ... but be consistent.
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Re: The Covid

Postby Xx Peach xX (143363031) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:09 am

Someone I know had a wedding last Friday. The hotel asked each guest to show their vaccine card (through an app here, or the actual card itself). Some didn’t have it because they didn’t get their shots. Hours of makeup, hair, dress-picking gone just like that since they were sent home.

Good. Not a drop of sympathy from me.

The vaccine was available for months, my family got it before it was approved by the FDA since Pfizer got FDA approved on Aug 23. + here we get vaccinated pretty quickly. They had no excuse. Just selfishness.
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Re: The Covid

Postby Cookie Monster (4327680) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:39 am

Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:Someone I know had a wedding last Friday. The hotel asked each guest to show their vaccine card (through an app here, or the actual card itself). Some didn’t have it because they didn’t get their shots. Hours of makeup, hair, dress-picking gone just like that since they were sent home.

Good. Not a drop of sympathy from me.

The vaccine was available for months, my family got it before it was approved by the FDA since Pfizer got FDA approved on Aug 23. + here we get vaccinated pretty quickly. They had no excuse. Just selfishness.


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Re: The Covid

Postby Cracked (126579776) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:43 am

Cookie Monster (4327680) wrote:
Nightcrawler (126579776) wrote:So my neighbor who shall remain nameless........ :phew: :phew: :phew:

She's a hypochondriac. She sees covid cooties everywhere and has had it - 4 times now. She goes for testing twice a week. She was in the first wave of vaccine takers. She wears a mask inside her car.....alone. The only reasons she leaves her house are for food, to get covid tested, and to see doctors. I think she anoints the outside of her house with cleaning alcohol every Saturday night as some sort of new religious ritual.

But I absolutely love talking to her and she'll pop out on her back porch when I'm grilling and we'll chat and I'll fluff her dogs. She has showed up as a "positive" test for covid in my town about a dozen times - yes she still goes twice a week to get tested even after testing positive. I think covid loves her. Her first bout with it kept her in bed for 3 days, but now she is asymptomatic when she testes positive. I think her dogs got infected and now every time she recovers, she gets it from them again. She thinks it will eventually go away and I don't.

But my questions swirl around what she does and how they affect the numbers. If someone who knows they are positive can just go get tested over and over and over and over.........doesn't that skew the numbers? Because the positive test numbers are what seem to drive a lot of angst in people when discussing this. I'm way more interested in the numbers around hospitals filling up than I am how many people are positive who feel fine. After all, the optics that seem most important to me are when people can't get medical help - and need it. I don't really care if 20M people have covid and get the sniffles or feel nothing. Welcome to life. But I do care when it takes people down.

Am I off here? Should I care that covid is spreading again if it doesn't really move the needle on hospital beds? For background, our local hospitals have seen an increase in bed counts for covid, but are nowhere near the top end they touched at the height of the problem 7 months ago.


She would drive me nuts. That said, I tend to think these things even out in the wash. She may be increasing the number reported, but since we have no idea how many aren’t reported for difference they reasons, I still doubt the reported number is higher than the real number.

I agree with that assessment. I think the unreported infections easily double the actual positive tests (my opinion). The most recent white paper pegs the percent of asymptomatic covid carriers at just over 35% based on 2 separate studies (there are potential issues with both, but they are the best effort based on available information). So my "double" guess is based on the fact that many people don't get sick enough to even bother with testing (I know 3 of these people). The article with the links to the studies is below.

https://www.sciencealert.com/over-a-third-of-covid-infections-are-truly-asymptomatic-says-massive-new-analysis
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Re: The Covid

Postby Cracked (126579776) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:03 am

Cookie Monster (4327680) wrote:
Xx Peach xX (143363031) wrote:Someone I know had a wedding last Friday. The hotel asked each guest to show their vaccine card (through an app here, or the actual card itself). Some didn’t have it because they didn’t get their shots. Hours of makeup, hair, dress-picking gone just like that since they were sent home.

Good. Not a drop of sympathy from me.

The vaccine was available for months, my family got it before it was approved by the FDA since Pfizer got FDA approved on Aug 23. + here we get vaccinated pretty quickly. They had no excuse. Just selfishness.


I couldn’t agree more.

I'll never support mandatory anything that a government pushes out. Governments have proven way too many times that this kind of power is just begging to be abused. When it comes to government, I have zero faith that they are interested in anyone's best interest but their own. They do what they do to facilitate their grip on power - period. If that means poisoning the people they serve, so be it.

With that out of the way, people need to stop listening to the f*cking politicians and media and start talking to their doctors and reading the science - yes many white papers are starting to be published answering all the questions we've been guessing at for too long. Covid is real. The vaccine works for a significant amount of time. People who are unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to end up in the hospital or dead when compared to the vaccinated. The percentage of people harmed by taking the vaccine is minute compared to the risk of being harmed by catching the virus when unvaccinated. These are facts, not fairytales.

I understand that if you catch covid while unvaccinated your odds of dying are slim, especially if under 50 years old. There is merit to this argument, but it is a selfish, self centered, prideful, and arrogant stance to take. Especially when the risk of the vaccine negatively affecting people under 50 is statistically insignificant. If you're over 50, you are rolling some serious dice by avoiding the vaccine.

I don't understand how taking or not taking a helpful vaccine has become a political stance? I don't really f*cking care. What I do care about is that when people use politics as an excuse to avoid doing the right thing, they get what they get and so do the people they care about. I wish I could say that I didn't care about what happens to these people. But I can't. They matter just like all people matter. Please......

So again, if you're still unvaccinated and reading this, I strongly urge you to do some more research. Don't feed off the same sources telling you to skip covid vaccination. Branch out. I read those "don't vax" sources too. They aren't science. They are opinions - and most of them come from people who have been vaxxed - hypocrites. Not vaxxing is a terrible medical decision. Please consider getting one soon.

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