The Rets In The Raffle

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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby DianaBanana (111036364) » Wed May 15, 2019 8:13 pm

XxPurpleHazexX (139135464) wrote:I see it as a good thing because if they make a bunch of cash selling a few things, are game stays open longer.
idk, I am not a gambler in most ways, so the raffle is enjoyable to me.




honestly, i don't care one way or the other anything about bvg doing this raffle. i play our world, a game quite a lot like yo but not so much for decorators cause you only get an apartment, no houses. mostly dress up and socializing. a lot of forumers here would flip out cause there are 3, yes i said 3 different casinos, two poker games, and other games of chance for their coins or rl money. there is a special section called zoe's auction where collectible items from the past and complete outfits from 2012 are in an auction house. you have to pay rl money (their yocash equilivent is called gems) to be able to get to the zoe's auction section to even bid. our world forum is completely different from this one in many ways. okay, not even sure what this has to do with here, so i'm gonna put down the coffee cup and switch to lemonade. :haha:
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Taurus (185839344) » Wed May 15, 2019 8:15 pm

Feral (126579776) wrote:I'd like to point out something for BVG to consider with the stuff they are raffling. The Pink Rets and Blue Rets were collectibles. We have been told multiple times that Zynga collectibles would NEVER be offered by BVG. Now I do understand the technicality of these being items recovered from bad players and simply being added back, but that doesn't change the spirit of what is going on here. BVG placed 6 collectibles that were removed from Yo back into Yo AT A PRICE. That constitutes selling in my book and if it isn't stinky, it sure is starting to get ripe.

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they are literally rereleasing them, albeit in limited numbers. either way you slice it, they are going back on their word.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby DianaBanana (111036364) » Wed May 15, 2019 8:22 pm

either way you slice it, i don't give a whit about it cause i've never given my trust to any online role playing game so bvg can't break to me what i never took in the first place. i'm only a bit invested in yo not emotionally though. just invested to help take care of my boredom sometiems. i do have a bit of feels for those who have invested more of themselves into the imaginary pixels that make up items in this game. i'm sure this is hard for some to swallow. luckily it's not for me. i follow the lead by the late, great johnny cash . "i keep a close watch on this heart of mine"
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby sNaPCraCkLeNPoP (12927062) » Wed May 15, 2019 8:52 pm

I forgot about the rets being collectibles I think the MJ tribute jacket the bunny lace hat thingy as well as a few other items I can't remember exactly off the top of my head. I can see how that is wrong and upsetting to some. I just see no harm in the few items of each as it stands now. Its just not enough items to have any kind of effect on pricing or rarity really. Honestly I personally do not consider those items rares either just oldies and the price of them are more so that reason than them being rare really. Rares to me are the items that are almost impossible to find not the ones you can go to almost any event and see someone wearing them or all of them. Now if they do continue this and start adding the same items in over and over I can see it being a problem. Those types of items should not be flooded into the game its not right in so many ways. It is kind of nice to know a few people have a chance to get them now though. I just hope they don't foul this up all because of the quick cash they will make from it. The amount of items or the items being gave away at this time don't concern me as much as that does. They have been known to get carried away before. *coughs gem events*
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby PurPlyAnjelZ XXX (152320506) » Wed May 15, 2019 9:12 pm

My government makes promises too, so have my employers over the years. Insurance companies, local businesses. I won’t take any promise seriously unless signed on paper. Especially for a game.

I hope someone who has been pining away for these raffle items wins. I wish the VikZ would filter the tickets by accounts not owning these said items yesterday and players accounts created at least a month ago and active. Also, a filter for one account per IP if that’s possible anymore.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Autumn Glory (105171200) » Wed May 15, 2019 9:40 pm

I personally am not interested in owning any of those items at this point of my game play, but I think this was a bad move on their part after telling players they would never re-release items into the game from Zynga. Sure, one could argue this isn't a true re-release because the quantities are limited, but now the confidence some players who own those items have in this game will be lost. Maybe this cash grab will be a one time thing, but even going back on your word one time can have consequences. This is a slippery slope and I hope it is worth it to them........time will tell.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Wild YM (111109114) » Wed May 15, 2019 9:41 pm

I think it's a great idea, I bought 2 tickets! Fact is Yo is a game we are having fun decorating or dressing up. They should raffle off the old themes of furn to decorate rooms with, . If the player was still playing they would be selling in AH or sales to make coins. This past halloween I went to sales and barely saw the old gargoyles or haunted stuff. It seems to have dried up. You rarely see Playhouse and many other themes. I know I will get people complaining but I am sorry if I do. :angel:
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby xNVx2hot (129595882) » Wed May 15, 2019 10:37 pm

Taurus (185839344) wrote:
Feral (126579776) wrote:I'd like to point out something for BVG to consider with the stuff they are raffling. The Pink Rets and Blue Rets were collectibles. We have been told multiple times that Zynga collectibles would NEVER be offered by BVG. Now I do understand the technicality of these being items recovered from bad players and simply being added back, but that doesn't change the spirit of what is going on here. BVG placed 6 collectibles that were removed from Yo back into Yo AT A PRICE. That constitutes selling in my book and if it isn't stinky, it sure is starting to get ripe.

Be wary of your steps, because the quicksand is everywhere and players have long memories. :angel: :smug:

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they are literally rereleasing them, albeit in limited numbers. either way you slice it, they are going back on their word.



I agree Taurus, i think people at BVG wake up every day wondering how they could cause drama in yo because i just can't make much sense of their actions since they took over. They been around us long enough by now to know what causes a lot of madness here and they manage every time to do something to bring back the madness here. I bet they just sit back and have a laugh, because they know some people will just throw money at everything. I always cringe when i see one of them reply with a Yawl, because it's just the opposite. They don't care about anyone here, not even the ones that always ready to jump someones throat when u say something about BVG they don't like, all they care about is the money. U can see from what this game has turned into. Nothing but a gamble and little quick money schemes and what we get back is lack of quality or some type of imagination or whatever. U can see by the same types of clothes we be getting and the same types of hairs. Lets you know they don't even waste any time of even coming up with new ideas. Nothing gets fixed anymore instead lets throw some more stuff out so they will throw more money at us. One day more yos will get tired of it and this all will backfire. :yawn:
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Bookworm J (129336295) » Thu May 16, 2019 1:01 am

Wasn't there a BVG survey on this awhile back? Asking what if some of these types of items were put back into the game, and suggesting some possible methods (including a raffle)? Maybe the survey results showed that most players like the idea.

I think it's a great idea. I'm not into any of these particular items, but if some of the really old interactives that I don't already have come up in the future, I will buy raffle tickets.

I know it's not popular with everyone but it's important to me as a player that BVG does make money. Otherwise we lose our game.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Theresa (122233016) » Thu May 16, 2019 7:31 am

Bookworm J (129336295) wrote:Wasn't there a BVG survey on this awhile back? Asking what if some of these types of items were put back into the game, and suggesting some possible methods (including a raffle)? Maybe the survey results showed that most players like the idea.

I think it's a great idea. I'm not into any of these particular items, but if some of the really old interactives that I don't already have come up in the future, I will buy raffle tickets.

I know it's not popular with everyone but it's important to me as a player that BVG does make money. Otherwise we lose our game.

yep i agree! i also said on the official thread that id like to see more of these even if they aren't really rare things... any of the old hard to get things would make for a good raffle! :thumbsup: :D
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Erwyle (187240896) » Thu May 16, 2019 9:34 am

I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Willow (13350872) » Thu May 16, 2019 10:26 am

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

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Actually, in my opinion, it is a re release, those items weren't in game anymore, especially if they were handed back to Bvg as they say, so Bvg is re releasing them into the game, it's totally different, if someone were to quit and gave their items away, because those items were still in circulation. These items were taken out of circulation for who knows how long and are being re released back into the game. Of course this is just my opinion :silly: oh and you seem to have this all planned out, how they're only going to re release one or two, I guess only time will tell :hug:
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Adeline PINK (113719515) » Thu May 16, 2019 10:31 am

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

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Sorry, but you would have had to have been here to appreciate what some of us feel and why. Willow and Rod are right. Today's new farmhouse on top of this has me rethinking my involvement again.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Erwyle (187240896) » Thu May 16, 2019 10:40 am

Willow (13350872) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

:eh:


Actually, in my opinion, it is a re release, those items weren't in game anymore, especially if they were handed back to Bvg as they say, so Bvg is re releasing them into the game, it's totally different, if someone were to quit and gave their items away, because those items were still in circulation. These items were taken out of circulation for who knows how long and are being re released back into the game. Of course this is just my opinion :silly: oh and you seem to have this all planned out, how they're only going to re release one or two, I guess only time will tell :hug:


LOL. I have nothing planned out since I'm not their planner. But, oddly enough, it is about trust. I trust they will be doing this again, but in a sensitive manner so that no one is harmed and everyone benefits. I've seen your other posts, and I understand you are upset. I honestly don't understand why though. The way I see it, you still have yours, and it's still as beautiful and valuable as it ever was. And someone else gets one too? I think it should be nice for them. Anyway, yes, we'll see what happens going forward...
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Erwyle (187240896) » Thu May 16, 2019 10:44 am

Adeline PINK (113719515) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

:eh:


Sorry, but you would have had to have been here to appreciate what some of us feel and why. Willow and Rod are right. Today's new farmhouse on top of this has me rethinking my involvement again.

Oh dear. I won't jump you for triggering my one source of ire. You didn't know that I hate seniority used as authority. I have been here a fair amount of time too and I am also quite empathic--I do understand the concept of working for a goal, reaching it and being pleased. But, this is not at all hurting you or anyone else. So, I don't understand your sentiments in this case. Please help me understand if you would...
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Rod (126579776) » Thu May 16, 2019 10:52 am

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:
Willow (13350872) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

:eh:


Actually, in my opinion, it is a re release, those items weren't in game anymore, especially if they were handed back to Bvg as they say, so Bvg is re releasing them into the game, it's totally different, if someone were to quit and gave their items away, because those items were still in circulation. These items were taken out of circulation for who knows how long and are being re released back into the game. Of course this is just my opinion :silly: oh and you seem to have this all planned out, how they're only going to re release one or two, I guess only time will tell :hug:


LOL. I have nothing planned out since I'm not their planner. But, oddly enough, it is about trust. I trust they will be doing this again, but in a sensitive manner so that no one is harmed and everyone benefits. I've seen your other posts, and I understand you are upset. I honestly don't understand why though. The way I see it, you still have yours, and it's still as beautiful and valuable as it ever was. And someone else gets one too? I think it should be nice for them. Anyway, yes, we'll see what happens going forward...
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It is tough to play both ends on this issue. I am sympathetic to those who have, and to those who have not. In the old forums, I posted a lot about my feelings that they should just leave everything that ever was - in the store for perpetuity. The game has and had a pride problem in my eyes. And I still feel this way to some extent. But I also know the personal value these items serve as "goals" for people. They represent achievements, longevity, and spending. And BVG devaluing any one of these is wrong and unfair.

Now I do recognize that many old items have been "frozen" by BVG in banned accounts belonging to cheaters. And none of us knows how many of these there are. And yes, they should still be in the game in my opinion. BVG should have a policy that any old costume or collectible found on a banned account should be placed in the AH for coins 60 days after the account is banned. That way players will bid and pay legit values for it just as they would if they bought in game. This raffle thing just sits wrong in my craw, but I will be thrilled for the players who win. I remember being new and how tough it was to get anything nice, and I would have been so excited to even get a CHANCE at some of this stuff. So kudos to BVG for doing it ONCE in small numbers as part of the celebration. But if they start tinkering with this habitually, then they should get blasted for it.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Erwyle (187240896) » Thu May 16, 2019 11:03 am

Soft Banana (126579776) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:
Willow (13350872) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

:eh:


Actually, in my opinion, it is a re release, those items weren't in game anymore, especially if they were handed back to Bvg as they say, so Bvg is re releasing them into the game, it's totally different, if someone were to quit and gave their items away, because those items were still in circulation. These items were taken out of circulation for who knows how long and are being re released back into the game. Of course this is just my opinion :silly: oh and you seem to have this all planned out, how they're only going to re release one or two, I guess only time will tell :hug:


LOL. I have nothing planned out since I'm not their planner. But, oddly enough, it is about trust. I trust they will be doing this again, but in a sensitive manner so that no one is harmed and everyone benefits. I've seen your other posts, and I understand you are upset. I honestly don't understand why though. The way I see it, you still have yours, and it's still as beautiful and valuable as it ever was. And someone else gets one too? I think it should be nice for them. Anyway, yes, we'll see what happens going forward...
:hug:

It is tough to play both ends on this issue. I am sympathetic to those who have, and to those who have not. In the old forums, I posted a lot about my feelings that they should just leave everything that ever was - in the store for perpetuity. The game has and had a pride problem in my eyes. And I still feel this way to some extent. But I also know the personal value these items serve as "goals" for people. They represent achievements, longevity, and spending. And BVG devaluing any one of these is wrong and unfair.

Now I do recognize that many old items have been "frozen" by BVG in banned accounts belonging to cheaters. And none of us knows how many of these there are. And yes, they should still be in the game in my opinion. BVG should have a policy that any old costume or collectible found on a banned account should be placed in the AH for coins 60 days after the account is banned. That way players will bid and pay legit values for it just as they would if they bought in game. This raffle thing just sits wrong in my craw, but I will be thrilled for the players who win. I remember being new and how tough it was to get anything nice, and I would have been so excited to even get a CHANCE at some of this stuff. So kudos to BVG for doing it ONCE in small numbers as part of the celebration. But if they start tinkering with this habitually, then they should get blasted for it.


The one aspect of this that smells funny, even to me, is that we must trust their statement about the source of these items. But even still, it is a drop in the bucket for the YoWorld economy imo as long as folks don't lose confidence and trust. That needs work.

But even if we assume that these are re-releases, and we assume they will continue, and we assume they will be raffled, it is still not bad. Simply because it is such a small release. And even if it had the effect of dampening prices slightly, it shouldn't affect the owners overly and might be good as more become attainable. That last part I realize is contradictory, but I'm mulling over that as a new idea.

Anyhoo. Thanks for your comments Rod. Let's see what happens next eh?
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Adeline PINK (113719515) » Thu May 16, 2019 11:10 am

Erwyle (187240896) wrote:
Adeline PINK (113719515) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

:eh:


Sorry, but you would have had to have been here to appreciate what some of us feel and why. Willow and Rod are right. Today's new farmhouse on top of this has me rethinking my involvement again.

Oh dear. I won't jump you for triggering my one source of ire. You didn't know that I hate seniority used as authority. I have been here a fair amount of time too and I am also quite empathic--I do understand the concept of working for a goal, reaching it and being pleased. But, this is not at all hurting you or anyone else. So, I don't understand your sentiments in this case. Please help me understand if you would...
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I am NOT using "seniority as a basis of authority!" Can you conceive of the idea of feeling somewhat differently if you had joined in 08 or 09 and scraped and scrimped to acquire these items and then saw them copied and sold by cheaters for pennies on the dollar? Can you imagine what it would have felt like to have been hacked and had all the items taken or to be banned as some on here have spoken of and then reinstated but without your "rares?" Some of us spent millions acquiring these goods. Some of us spent a lot of time discussing what would happen regarding these collectibles right here on this forum with BigV and have based our level of play on the promises BigV made to us regarding them. I lost a house somehow at some point and was told BigV could do nothing about it. Too bad. So sad. etc. etc. We have been told that these collectibles could not be replaced. I have always questioned that. I am really questioning it now.
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Sparkly Siren (126550402) » Thu May 16, 2019 11:17 am

It's definitely a cash grab

I assume the people who win will already have 5 of each item so it wont matter anyway lol
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Re: The Rets In The Raffle

Postby Erwyle (187240896) » Thu May 16, 2019 11:23 am

Adeline PINK (113719515) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:
Adeline PINK (113719515) wrote:
Erwyle (187240896) wrote:I don't think these qualify as a re-release. They were already in existence and now they will be passed to new owners. And I don't see how one or two of these should affect anyone other than the lucky winner(s). A massive dump of these items would be disastrous and I think BVG knows that. But one or two? No sweat. And I truly do not understand why anyone who already has one would begrudge someone a win.

If this is done occasionally, and always with different items, BVG will rake in the money, the players who own stock in these items will still be fine and a few lucky folks will be very happy. Doesn't seem to be a bad thing to me...

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Sorry, but you would have had to have been here to appreciate what some of us feel and why. Willow and Rod are right. Today's new farmhouse on top of this has me rethinking my involvement again.

Oh dear. I won't jump you for triggering my one source of ire. You didn't know that I hate seniority used as authority. I have been here a fair amount of time too and I am also quite empathic--I do understand the concept of working for a goal, reaching it and being pleased. But, this is not at all hurting you or anyone else. So, I don't understand your sentiments in this case. Please help me understand if you would...
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I am NOT using "seniority as a basis of authority!" Can you conceive of the idea of feeling somewhat differently if you had joined in 08 or 09 and scraped and scrimped to acquire these items and then saw them copied and sold by cheaters for pennies on the dollar? Can you imagine what it would have felt like to have been hacked and had all the items taken or to be banned as some on here have spoken of and then reinstated but without your "rares?" Some of us spent millions acquiring these goods. Some of us spent a lot of time discussing what would happen regarding these collectibles right here on this forum with BigV and have based our level of play on the promises BigV made to us regarding them. I lost a house somehow at some point and was told BigV could do nothing about it. Too bad. So sad. etc. etc. We have been told that these collectibles could not be replaced. I have always questioned that. I am really questioning it now.


I think everyone knows that BVG could make any item in any quantity any time they like with the flick of a switch. You've also raised a number of other issues that aren't really related to this issue but more or less past grievances that are unresolved. But to the point--trust broken--it depends on whether you think this was part of their promise or not. So, it sounds like you think the promise is broken. I don't necessarily. And I want to go even further. I'll assume it has been broken. Is it a problem? Yes if it means we can't trust them anymore. But, here's the meat of the matter. If we can't trust them, what do we have? Nothing. No game, no old bows, no nothing. So, what are you going to do? Protest if you like, but you must trust our leaders. That's my point of view anyway. They don't want this to end anymore than we do....
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